For an introduction to the Sew Your Kibbe Series, please see this post. The posts in this series are intended to be a well researched and thorough investigation of the Kibbe style recommendations, along with several example patterns for each “level of dress.” The posts in this series will be picture heavy and quite lengthy. As always, you may want some tea.
Introduction
At this point we’ve covered the five main types (Dramatic, Romantic, Classic, Gamine, and Natural), and first two subtypes (Soft Dramatic and Theatrical Romantic) in Kibbe’s system. All of our remaining main types have two subtypes each – one that has more yin overtones and another that has more yang overtones. When we looked at the Classic ID, we had a type that was a total blend of yin and yang. This week we will look at Kibbe’s Dramatic Classic – a blended type that has slightly more yang to add a bit of extra drama to the features. Kibbe’s Dramatic Classic is described as a “Tailored Chic.” You can read more about Kibbe’s Dramatic Classic here.
Body Type Characteristics
The following are Kibbe’s descriptions of a Dramatic Classic Body Type:
DRAMATIC CLASSIC PHYSICAL PROFILE
NOTE: The following information should be taken as a broad outline of what makes a Dramatic Classic. It is the overall combination of the balance between Yin and Yang leaning (slightly angular physicality with a coolly sophisticated essence) that creates this Image Identity category. Therefore, slight deviation here or there is always possible and should not be worried over if it does not upset your Yin/Yang balance. Height: Moderate, up to 5 feet 7 inches. Bone Structure: Symmetrical, with slightly angular edges. Straight and slightly wide. Shoulders are tapered or slightly square, usually narrow. Slightly squarish hands and feet. Slightly sharp, angular or squarish facial contours (jawline, nose, cheekbones). Body Type: Fairly trim and compact when at an ideal weight. Slightly muscular when at ideal weight. Bustline, waist and hips are somewhat straight and in even proportion when at ideal weight. On occasion slightly short-waisted. Legs and arms tend to be average or slightly long. Your body type will seem to radically change when you gain even a little weight. This is actually an illusion because your bone structure remains the same. Facial Features: Usually moderate to large eyes, moderate lips. Hair: May be thick and straight or fine and silky but rarely coarse. Possibly wavy/curly. Coloring: Any coloring is possible(warm or cool, high-contrast or blended). If overweight: Excess weight shows up right away and collects from the waist down. You seem to gain weight in the hips and thighs. You rarely gain weight around the bustline. The heavier you get, the more pear-shaped you become. A Dramatic Classic will not:
Have extremely long limbs.
Have extremely exotic or overly lush facial features.
Have extremely large bones or extremely large hands and feet.
Have delicate bones or extremely small hands and feet.
Have an hourglass figure.
Have a boyishly straight figure.
Recommendations:
The following are Kibbe’s recommendations regarding the clothing and style choices that best suit his Dramatic Classic image ID. The following recommendations will be taken into consideration for each garment type listed below:
SHAPE: Triangular, with the widest line at the shoulders, narrow at the hemline. Symmetrical geometrics, which can be sharp or sculpted. Trim, tailored, taut and crisp and slightly chunky.
AVOID: Ornate, intricate, or delicate shapes. Irregular shapes. Unconstructed or extremely boxy shapes. Simple symmetrical shapes without sharp edges or an elongated line.
LINE AND SILHOUETTE: Your silhouette is always trim and tailored with sharp edges. Clean, sleek lines. Straight lines. Elongated draping. Strong, defined shoulder line with crisp edges. Strong vertical and diagonal lines.
AVOID: Clingy, ornate, intricate, or flouncy lines. Unconstructed, wide, boxy, or horizontal lines. Extremely severe lines without tapering. Plain, symmetrical lines without sharp or sculpted edges.
FABRIC: High-quality fabrics in moderate weights. Matte-finished fabrics form the basis of your wardrobe, although you may certainly use shiny silks and the like as blouses or accents and may go ultra-shiny (to the point of lames and metallics) for evening. Moderate piles. Pliable knits and wovens (heavy jersey, cashmere, gabardine, etc.).
AVOID: Lightweight fabrics that cling or are ultra-sheer. Heavyweight fabrics that are stiff and bulky. Rough textures that are thick.
DETAIL: Detail should be crisp, tailored and geometric with sharp edges. Sharp or sculpted shoulder pads are a must in everything you own!
Cleanly tailored necklines: notched collars, crisp Mandarins, simple jabots or ascots, cleanly slashed necklines, geometric V’s, asymmetric angulars, turtlenecks, and narrow cowls.
Sharp details: pleats, crisp cuffs, peaked and notched or cleanly streamlined lapels, double-breasted jackets, contrasting trim, epaulets, piping, or clean braiding.
The waist may be crisply defined with a moderate to wide belt with a geometric buckle or may be dropped or eliminated altogether in a narrow chemise-effect.
Detail that includes sharp color contrast is excellent (for example: spectator pumps, contrasting buttons, lapel outlining).
Sophisticated nautical-type detail is also striking when it is crisp and tailored.
AVOID: Ornate, intricate, or fussy detail, including frills. Animated, “perky” detail. Plain and symmetrical detail without sharp edges. Wide, unconstructed, or bulky detail. Minimal detail.
SEPARATES: Use carefully. Separates can be extremely effective for you when well-planned in matched sets. An “ensemble approach” to your head-to-toe appearance is always necessary.
COLOR: our use of color should be bold and sophisticated. Neutrals and deep colors are quite effective for you as they provide a background of simplicity to showcase your elegant use of line. Pastels can be equally effective if the fabric is very special, and you utilize them in head-to-toe sweeps. Generally, thick of blending intensities of your outfits to retain your strong vertical lines. Contrasting trim is very striking on you, particularly in two-color combinations. They key is to pick up the accent color in several places, not just one. In this way you don’t break up your sleek silhouette, you merely accent it.
AVOID: Multicolor splashes. A mix ‘n match approach to color. All neutrals or monochromatics with bold accents.
PRINTS: Prints should be geometric, slightly oversized, and bold in color contrast. Stripes, zigzags, slashes, and sleek asymmetrics also work.
AVOID: Overly delicate or strappy styles. Heavy, chunky styles. Plain pumps or simple symmetrical styles.
BAGS: Crisply tailored bags. Envelopes, clutches, box-shaped bags. Metallic evening clutches. Narrow to medium briefcases, constructed, with a frame.
AVOID: Overly delicate or ornate styles. Large, unconstructed styles.
BELTS: Moderate to wide styles with large geometric buckles. Wide self-belts. Contrasting-color belts (to match shoes and jewelry or hat).
AVOID: Waist-cinchers. Overly ornate styles. Delicate or narrow styles.
HATS: Crisply tailored styles. Sharp edges and contrasting trim. Moderate to small size. Geometric and clean shapes.
AVOID: Fussy hats with ornate trim. Oversized styles. Severe styles. Unconstructed or floppy styles.
HOSIERY: Sheer, silky stockings are best. In terms of color, blend in one tone between hemline, stocking, and shoe to keep your dominant vertical line sleep. The exception to this is when you are working with sharp color contrast, head-to-toe, and your shoe or stocking color is in contrast to each other or to your hemline. Just be sure this color is picked up in several other places to avoid chopping your look.
Textured stockings are elegant in geometrics (herringbone, etc.) when kept translucent.
JEWELRY: Should be sleek, elegant, and slightly chunky. Geometric shapes with sharp edges. Smooth circles that are crisp and oversized are possible. Earrings should be on the ear or spray up (not down or dangly). Necklaces should be crisply tailored and slightly chunky, and rest around the collarbone area. Moderate wrist cuffs are also possible. Remember: One elegant piece is quite effective on you!
For the individual garment types, obviously, I will be focusing on the lines of the garment, as fabric and color choices would easily be controlled by the home sewer. It’s nice that he included a long list of acceptable fabrics though!
Jackets: Jackets are a mainstay of your wardrobe, and you should have them for every occasion, from daytime to glamour to casual. They should be crisp and tailored, with sharp shoulders and elongated line. If unconstructed, they should be very narrow and fall below the break of the hip. The shortest jacket that is sophisticated enough for you is cropped to rest at the top of the hipbone and has a very sleek, streamlined effect. Double-breasted jackets are also quite effective on you.
AVOID: Flouncy jackets that are nipped and tucked with gathers and trim. Peplums. Wide, boxy jackets. Ultra-cropped jackets (boleros, waistcoats, etc.)
Coats – Level 1: Since the Dramatic Classic look is so tailored, even their casual looks will be a bit more constructed than most of the other style IDs. As we saw with the straight Classic type, many of these styles would work at any level, and will heavily depend on fabric choice. Though Kibbe does say you should have a jacket for every occasion, so that does mean you get to indulge a bit in this clothing category!
Coats – Level 2: The Level 2 options are typically more tailored and less detailed than those in Level 1. Many of the looks are quite similar between the two levels; on a Classic type even small changes in detail will have big changes in the overall effect.
Coats – Level 3: I couldn’t find many Level 3 coat options, but I think many of the Level 1 or Level 2 options could be made for a formal even with different fabric choices.
Jackets – Level 1: As with the longer coats, the casual Dramatic Classic looks have more details that really make the looks read as casual.
Jackets – Level 2: The level 2 jackets have some more formal tailoring details and would look great as part of a business suit or for a fancier night out.
Jackets – Level 3: These are some really lovely jacket options; the details are impactful, but not too over the top, and the result is a really fantastic formal look.
Skirts: Skirts should be straight and narrow. A few crisp gathers at the waist are usually needed to accommodate your hips. It is very important that your skirts are always flat from the hip to the upper thigh area. Pleats should thus be stitched down at the top, so as not to upset your sleekly vertical line. Small slits are excellent, as is any tailored detail such as pocket flaps, contrasting stitching, waistbands, etc. Hemlines can range from one inch below the knee to the top of the calf. The latter will need a slit. Longer is, of course, perfect for evening.
A bias-cut skirt is possible, as is a straight skirt that has a bias-cut piece added to the bottom, gently flaring out. These hemlines are uneven and must be longer, in the mid-calf range.
AVOID: Full, flouncy skirts. Skirts with fussy detail (draping, shirring, and gathers). A-lines. Wide, unconstructed skirts.
Level 1: For Level 1 skirts, the overall effect is that of being casual because of the combination of details and fabric choice.
Level 2: For Level 2 we see even sleeker, more fitted examples.
Level 3: We get to see a few more examples of the bias-cut options for evening.
Pants: Simple tailored styles with pleats and man-tailored detail are best. The pants should be clean, sleek, and elegant.
AVOID: Fussy or ornate styles. Tapered or pegged style. Wide, baggy, or unconstructed styles.
Level 1: Since the trouser styles all need to be clean and sleek, fabric choice is really going to be the determining factor for level of dress in this category.
Level 2: The level 2 looks are a bit sharper, more tailored, and less detailed.
Level 3: As previously stated, most of the trouser styles could work at any level, but I did find some Burda Plus trousers that would look great as part of a Level 3 outfit.
Blouses: Blouses should be elegant and tailored, with sharp edges and crisp detail. Stock-tie blouses are acceptable with a very tailored suit, but a more dramatic style is best when the jacket is not covering it. Fabric can be crisp and smooth (luscious cottons), elegantly shiny (charmeuse), or softly woven (challis).
AVOID: Frilly, ornate, flouncy styles with excess detail. Unconstructed styles with no detail.
Level 1: I tried to find a variety of styles that could work in more casual fabrics but still had elegant, sharply tailored edges to them.
Level 2: The Level 2 options have more traditional tailoring elements and would work well in an office/work look.
Level 3: Some extra tailoring details can elevate the button up style to Level 3.
Sweaters: Sweaters should be lightweight and elegant; silky and skinny-ribbed styles are excellent choices. Sweaters should be slightly elongated, with shoulder pads. Long cardigans with pads and jacket styles are very good for the dressy-casual look. Sleek and elegant beading is also stunning.
AVOID: Fluffy knits with ornate trim. Thick, rough, or heavy knits that are bulky. Shapeless sweaters. Cropped sweaters and vests. Symmetrical styles with plain detail such as crew-necked shetlands.
Level 1: With structure and tailoring being so key to the overall look of a Dramatic Classic, there aren’t a lot of sewing pattern styles that fit this description, so I went a bit outside of the recommendations to keep in the overall feeling of Dramatic Classic rather than sticking to the exact recommendations.
Level 2: These are more in fitting with the “dressy-casual” look Kibbe mentions.
Level 3: None. As with many of our other yang-influenced types, a soft sweater is just too casual to wear to a formal event when structured jackets can be a much better option.
Dresses: Dresses should be tailored, sleek, and narrow, with sharp edges and crisp detail. Coat dresses, chemises, and slinky sheaths are all excellent. Waists may be defined with a wide, geometric belt (usually in a contrasting color to match accessories), or may be dropped low, or even eliminated. Elongated draping or sleek bias-cuts are also soft and elegant. Sharp or sculpted shoulders (with pads) are a must!
AVOID: Flouncy dresses with ornate and intricate trim. Fussy detail such as shirring, gathers, silk flowers, bows, ribbons, etc. Wide unconstructed shapes.
Level 1: Lots of tailored shirt dresses in this level. As with most of the categories here, fabric choice and amount of detail will really change how the pattern reads in terms of formality.
Level 2: The Level 2 looks are even more sleek and streamlined.
Level 3: The Level 3 designs really focus on simple styles with clean, sharp details.
Evening Wear: Symmetrical shapes with clean, geometric detail Shoulder emphasis. Angular necklines. Smooth fabric. Beaded fabric. Understated trim.
Slinky sheaths. Jacketed gowns. Tailored dinner suits. Long gowns with sharp shoulder emphasis. Tailored cocktail dresses. Evening pants with jacket.
The evening looks are really just an extension of the Level 3 looks, but I’ve tried to look for more elegant, elongated gowns with fancy fabrics.
Another ID down! I think the comparison between Classic and Dramatic Classic is a great way to really understand how the subtypes can require just very slight modifications to be distinct from the main type. While some of these recommendations overlap, a lot of the looks from Dramatic Classic are too strongly yang to work for a pure Classic. There was actually a fair amount of overlap with the pure Dramatic styles, though the amount of detail still needs to be a bit more subdued for a Classic subtype. As I noted in the main Classic post, finding a variety of styles within my set of sewing patterns was a bit tricky, and I found that to be true this week as well, since the recommendations for Dramatic Classics are quite precise. I think the resulting options are quite comprehensive, though perhaps not so numerous as I’ve had for other style IDs.
Also, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Soft Dramatic was my aspirational Kibbe ID, but I’m pretty sure Dramatic Classic is a close second. I love the clean lines and extremely tailored styles. I know this style would be far too severe and fitted on me, but any style ID where “jackets are a mainstay of [the] wardrobe” is definitely high on my list of inspirational styles. It’s interesting how different this is from Soft Dramatic; one is all about large sweeping shapes and Dramatic Classic is all about streamlined, tailored looks. This possibly speaks to why, in hindsight, many of my sewing projects are all over the map, style wise. It also, hopefully, gives me the insight to make more strategic choices in the future and avoid making a bunch of closet orphans, as I have in the past. If nothing else, I’m at least starting to crystalize what I like and why, and that should be really helpful in planning sewing projects in the future.
Coming Next Week: This week we looked at what happens when you add a bit of yang to a Classic with the Dramatic Classic. Next week we’ll see what happens when you go the other way and add a little extra yin with Kibbe’s Soft Classic!
Such a great review, as always. I was pretty sure this was closest to me before I started reading, but then I hesitated because of a couple minor differences in the physical characteristics. Then I basically scrolled through what was my own wardrobe of best styles and patterns I like (!) and so I do think this is me. I found your comments at the end insightful as usual. Thanks for all of this work.
I think it’s important for all of us to remember that we don’t have to be 100% in the guidelines to be in that type. We all have unique aspects, and it is the combination of things on the whole that really determine the Kibbe ID. I find people get fixated on height, but that’s only one aspect of the overall impression.
And I’m glad you found/confirmed your ID! I’m happy to hear that I made good pattern selections too. 😉
Mind officially blown! I kind of expected this to be a cross section of Classic and Dramatic, a la Venn diagram. I did NOT expect an entirely new collection of patterns to spend hours and hours reviewing. These are fantastic. Now I’m trying to decide how many coats and jackets one person really needs (when the temperature rarely drops below 70).
Looks like the 02-2005 Burda was the place to score fun nautical patterns. Why don’t I have that one?!?!?! 😭 Going to eBay…
I tried to find patterns that are unique to the subtypes, but I think finding such different patterns really points to why subtypes are needed in the first place; a Dramatic Classic needs a touch more detail that a pure Classic, but not quite so much sharpness are a pure Dramatic.
Also, yes, the 02-2005 Burda is fantastic for nautical stuff, but I think the October 2016 also has a nice nautical themed spread.
Once again, you’ve done a really great job of bringing Kibbe’s words into pictorial view with your pattern recommendations. I would say that what I found most appealing about DC was the trouser recs. As someone that hates skinny and/or ankle pants, traditional man-style trousers are more my thing. I also liked the long and double-breasted coats, as I love me a good peacoat. But, in reviewing the other styles, I really think the overall line is too straight and severe for me. Looking forward to next week as I have wavered between SC and SN as to which is best for me.
I find the DC lines would all just be a touch too severe on me, but I really like the cleanliness of the overall look. I think the SC post will really illustrate the difference between DC and SC, though the SN post will be a little ways off. Hopefully it will all become clear once we get there!
Love these posts and I can’t wait for the SC. In my wardrobe I definitely saw classic and romantic clothes from your posts in my wardrobe that suit me. Doing the test I am a SC.
I am finding it difficult to find my daughters Kibbe type. Every time I do the quiz I get different results. I thought she was DC but looking at the clothes I couldn’t see her wearing them.
How old is your daughter if you don’t mind my asking? I think it can be hard to fully determine Kibbe type before the early to mid 20s because they keep growing/changing until then. I think it’s also why teenagers can often get away with wearing all sorts of crazy stuff – they haven’t finished growing into their bodies yet.
My daughter is 27 years old so I should be able to do the quiz. I think she is a sub type so I find it hard. I tried to put a photo or her facebook page link but I am not that computer savy.
Subtypes can be pretty hard to pinpoint. Are you fairly sure the main type would be Classic? Narrowing down between the 5 main types first can be helpful in determining subtypes.
Yes I think she is closest to a Classic. She is 169cm tall small face with soft features and bone structure, small feet and hands. Her arms and legs are in proportion to her body. She has a small bust and if she puts on weight she puts it on hips and waist. What throws me is she goes to the gym and get muscular arms and legs and also she likes to have coloured hair. Her hair is long and fine and at the moment it is purple pink and orange. This is why I thought she may have been DC.
Recently she wore a nude fitted fish tail sleeveless evening dress with a black lace bodice up to the neck which suited her. The bright hair she wore in soft curls.
She might be more of a Soft Classic based on the description. Kibbe’s writings talk about what happens when people gain weight; it’s not quite as clear about the effects of having an intense workout regimen. The ability to color hair in cool ways possibly has more to do with her coloring than style type? It also speaks to the idea that we can add personal style on top of any ID and make it really unique.
Ok, so I took a look and I can see why this is tricky! I tried to apply the Kibbe quiz, and I agree that I got mostly C answers, and ended up with a near even split between A/B and D/E. I found that the A/B influence was more in the questions related to the body, and the D/E answers came more from questions about the face. But, again, it was a pretty even split. The overall impression I get, though, it one of slight softness, despite her obvious muscles from working out. The muscles themselves are visible, but not taught and chiseled, as I think would be more the case for a yang influenced type like a Dramatic Classic. I also find that her eyes are quite striking, and they are very rounded, which really helps sway the overall impression to that of softness. Also, the gown with the lace is stunning and looks fantastic on her! It’s a bit hard to make decisions based on what clothing looks good because she is in workout gear in so many of the photos, but my guess would be Soft Classic based on the Instagram. Take it with a grain of salt; I haven’t seen her in real life, and I’m not really *that* good at typing people (I’ve focused much more on looking at clothes for this blog series), but I’m getting an overall Soft Classic vibe. Her personal style is clearly a bit edgier, but I think that when it comes out in the Soft Classic lines it really works for her. I think you should look at next week’s post and see if perhaps those styles might seem to be a bit more in line with what you feel suits her? Hopefully it will be more clear after you can compare all of the subtypes in depth.
Thank you very much for your help on this matter. I am really enjoying the clothes that would suit the various body types. It is a fantastic reference for clothes to make. I don’t know where you get the time to do all that you do.
This is very interesting, thank you! I had myself absolutely pegged as a dramatic classic, except I am genetically cursed with short legs and strong calves. As I scrolled through the styles it was Yes Yes Yes to all the tops and dresses, and in fact I already own a couple of these patterns! But the man-style tailoring of the trousers is disasterous on me – I’ve found more streamlined pants with no side / hip pockets are much more flattering on me – and I definitely don’t want skirts finishing anywhere in the calf area, they have to finish on the knee for me (being the narrowest point of my legs). A great insight into taking my Kibbe style and adjusting for the quirks of my own body.
It sounds like you are Dramatic Classic from the waist up and pure Classic from the waist down! Kibbe always emphasizes that the subtypes belong to the main type *first* and that the extra yin/yang is a subtle undercurrent that slightly adjusts things. It’s all a spectrum, which is why I think understanding the base types was important before jumping into all of the subtypes. If something isn’t quite working, adjusting back towards the recommendations of the base type a bit might help. If things still feel off, that’s when you should re-examine the style ID, but it sounds like you found your happy spot here in Dramatic Classic. I agree that we all have our own quirks that we need to slightly adjust for – removing the man-tailoring makes everything even more streamlined, which is still in keeping with the overall Classic feel of this style type, so I think that totally makes sense.
Loving the skirt recommendations in this list! I’m not sure which Dramatic suits me best, but the skirts here are great. Less so the pants, but maybe that just taste – and in any case no way am I ready to tackle sewing pants yet. I just about finished a skirt pattern that is VERY similar to several of the skirts here, and the kick pleat in front is a total mystery to me. Could not understand the directions to save my life. Found a Threads video and just did it that way, for better or worse. Le sigh.
I’ve never found a good set of instructions for a vent or kick pleat in a sewing pattern. I’ve always had to use explanations from books or the internet to tackle those things.
Aside from length (Dramatics can go longer), the Dramatic Classic skirts and Dramatic skirts have a lot of things in common, so it would make sense if you could pull from both lists. I think the Dramatic Classic pants pull a bit more towards the Classic side, but with more detail, so if you are Dramatic I could see how they might not be the best style for a Dramatic.
It’s nice to see so many people identifying with this ID. It’s definitely not me. At 5’3″ and curvy most of these thnigs are not comfortable and really don’t appeal to me although I do have a few of the skirt patterns! I love skirts. I spent 3 years in high school in skirts, dresses and shirt suits with high heels and sheer hose rather than shirts and halter tops or jeans and T’s. My favorite ID’s are Romantic and Theatrical although I’ve always thought I was probably a Sfot Classic. Looking forward to checking out Soft Classic!
Ooh, it’s my ID! Honestly, I’ll admit I was a little disappointed the first time I read this post as you’re right, Kibbe’s guidelines for DCs are pretty narrow and specific so there isn’t much variety in the separates.
But then I went through the whole post a second time and realised I would love to wear pretty much everything here and I know I’d look fabulous, so thank you for giving me lots of new pattern ideas! Also, I think I might need to subscribe to Burda…
The only one of these patterns I’ve made is the Vogue Galaxy dress copy, and I feel amazing when I wear it. I’m thinking I should make another with the square neckline and short sleeves now… not that I need any more party dresses!
That’s great! I feel like all of the Classic types have pretty narrow descriptions as far as styles go (especially when compared with Gamines or even Naturals), but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, and I sort of think that’s what makes them, well, Classic. I think Classic IDs are where TNT patterns can really shine – if you feel amazing in it, why not have 2 (or 5) in your wardrobe?
You’ve done so much work pulling all these patterns together. Just stumbled upon your page and YAY! This one features my type…Dramatic Classic! I’m at the point that I’m determined to weed out the “not working” and sew up a cohesive wardrobe. Thank you for pulling together so many right-on patterns. Just what I needed.
Hi,
How would one access the patterns you’ve listed that aren’t traditional paper patterns in an envelope? For example, the 4th coat from the top, BS-11-2007-115. Is this in a Burda Style magazine, Nov. 2015, pattern (or “model”) number 115? Sorry if the answer to this is obvious, but I’m not familiar with Burda Style mag. Do you know, would I need to purchase that issue of the magazine, and if so, where I could get them?
Thank you for the treasure trove of patterns that would would for a DC! I’m very excited to get sewing!
Yes, your interpretation of my codes is correct! At this point your options for older issues are scouting around on EBay or maybe Etsy. If it is a recent or recent-ish issue then you can see if you can buy a PDF download for the pattern you want directly from the BurdaStyle website. Hope that helps!
Such a great resource! Having a visual representation of the recommendations is really helpful. So many that I have naturally gravitated to and now don’t need to guess or settle. I may have to take up sewing though!
Such a great review, as always. I was pretty sure this was closest to me before I started reading, but then I hesitated because of a couple minor differences in the physical characteristics. Then I basically scrolled through what was my own wardrobe of best styles and patterns I like (!) and so I do think this is me. I found your comments at the end insightful as usual. Thanks for all of this work.
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I think it’s important for all of us to remember that we don’t have to be 100% in the guidelines to be in that type. We all have unique aspects, and it is the combination of things on the whole that really determine the Kibbe ID. I find people get fixated on height, but that’s only one aspect of the overall impression.
And I’m glad you found/confirmed your ID! I’m happy to hear that I made good pattern selections too. 😉
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Mind officially blown! I kind of expected this to be a cross section of Classic and Dramatic, a la Venn diagram. I did NOT expect an entirely new collection of patterns to spend hours and hours reviewing. These are fantastic. Now I’m trying to decide how many coats and jackets one person really needs (when the temperature rarely drops below 70).
Looks like the 02-2005 Burda was the place to score fun nautical patterns. Why don’t I have that one?!?!?! 😭 Going to eBay…
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I tried to find patterns that are unique to the subtypes, but I think finding such different patterns really points to why subtypes are needed in the first place; a Dramatic Classic needs a touch more detail that a pure Classic, but not quite so much sharpness are a pure Dramatic.
Also, yes, the 02-2005 Burda is fantastic for nautical stuff, but I think the October 2016 also has a nice nautical themed spread.
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Once again, you’ve done a really great job of bringing Kibbe’s words into pictorial view with your pattern recommendations. I would say that what I found most appealing about DC was the trouser recs. As someone that hates skinny and/or ankle pants, traditional man-style trousers are more my thing. I also liked the long and double-breasted coats, as I love me a good peacoat. But, in reviewing the other styles, I really think the overall line is too straight and severe for me. Looking forward to next week as I have wavered between SC and SN as to which is best for me.
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I find the DC lines would all just be a touch too severe on me, but I really like the cleanliness of the overall look. I think the SC post will really illustrate the difference between DC and SC, though the SN post will be a little ways off. Hopefully it will all become clear once we get there!
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Love these posts and I can’t wait for the SC. In my wardrobe I definitely saw classic and romantic clothes from your posts in my wardrobe that suit me. Doing the test I am a SC.
I am finding it difficult to find my daughters Kibbe type. Every time I do the quiz I get different results. I thought she was DC but looking at the clothes I couldn’t see her wearing them.
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How old is your daughter if you don’t mind my asking? I think it can be hard to fully determine Kibbe type before the early to mid 20s because they keep growing/changing until then. I think it’s also why teenagers can often get away with wearing all sorts of crazy stuff – they haven’t finished growing into their bodies yet.
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My daughter is 27 years old so I should be able to do the quiz. I think she is a sub type so I find it hard. I tried to put a photo or her facebook page link but I am not that computer savy.
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Subtypes can be pretty hard to pinpoint. Are you fairly sure the main type would be Classic? Narrowing down between the 5 main types first can be helpful in determining subtypes.
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Yes I think she is closest to a Classic. She is 169cm tall small face with soft features and bone structure, small feet and hands. Her arms and legs are in proportion to her body. She has a small bust and if she puts on weight she puts it on hips and waist. What throws me is she goes to the gym and get muscular arms and legs and also she likes to have coloured hair. Her hair is long and fine and at the moment it is purple pink and orange. This is why I thought she may have been DC.
Recently she wore a nude fitted fish tail sleeveless evening dress with a black lace bodice up to the neck which suited her. The bright hair she wore in soft curls.
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She might be more of a Soft Classic based on the description. Kibbe’s writings talk about what happens when people gain weight; it’s not quite as clear about the effects of having an intense workout regimen. The ability to color hair in cool ways possibly has more to do with her coloring than style type? It also speaks to the idea that we can add personal style on top of any ID and make it really unique.
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Here is her Instagram profile where she has lots of photos. https://www.instagram.com/charfletch/
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Ok, so I took a look and I can see why this is tricky! I tried to apply the Kibbe quiz, and I agree that I got mostly C answers, and ended up with a near even split between A/B and D/E. I found that the A/B influence was more in the questions related to the body, and the D/E answers came more from questions about the face. But, again, it was a pretty even split. The overall impression I get, though, it one of slight softness, despite her obvious muscles from working out. The muscles themselves are visible, but not taught and chiseled, as I think would be more the case for a yang influenced type like a Dramatic Classic. I also find that her eyes are quite striking, and they are very rounded, which really helps sway the overall impression to that of softness. Also, the gown with the lace is stunning and looks fantastic on her! It’s a bit hard to make decisions based on what clothing looks good because she is in workout gear in so many of the photos, but my guess would be Soft Classic based on the Instagram. Take it with a grain of salt; I haven’t seen her in real life, and I’m not really *that* good at typing people (I’ve focused much more on looking at clothes for this blog series), but I’m getting an overall Soft Classic vibe. Her personal style is clearly a bit edgier, but I think that when it comes out in the Soft Classic lines it really works for her. I think you should look at next week’s post and see if perhaps those styles might seem to be a bit more in line with what you feel suits her? Hopefully it will be more clear after you can compare all of the subtypes in depth.
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Thank you very much for your help on this matter. I am really enjoying the clothes that would suit the various body types. It is a fantastic reference for clothes to make. I don’t know where you get the time to do all that you do.
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I…. haven’t been sleeping much. Once this series is done I will be taking a bit of a break from epically long blog posts for a bit.
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You definitely need a long holiday. Take a trip somewhere and put you feet up and enjoy a good book.
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This is very interesting, thank you! I had myself absolutely pegged as a dramatic classic, except I am genetically cursed with short legs and strong calves. As I scrolled through the styles it was Yes Yes Yes to all the tops and dresses, and in fact I already own a couple of these patterns! But the man-style tailoring of the trousers is disasterous on me – I’ve found more streamlined pants with no side / hip pockets are much more flattering on me – and I definitely don’t want skirts finishing anywhere in the calf area, they have to finish on the knee for me (being the narrowest point of my legs). A great insight into taking my Kibbe style and adjusting for the quirks of my own body.
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It sounds like you are Dramatic Classic from the waist up and pure Classic from the waist down! Kibbe always emphasizes that the subtypes belong to the main type *first* and that the extra yin/yang is a subtle undercurrent that slightly adjusts things. It’s all a spectrum, which is why I think understanding the base types was important before jumping into all of the subtypes. If something isn’t quite working, adjusting back towards the recommendations of the base type a bit might help. If things still feel off, that’s when you should re-examine the style ID, but it sounds like you found your happy spot here in Dramatic Classic. I agree that we all have our own quirks that we need to slightly adjust for – removing the man-tailoring makes everything even more streamlined, which is still in keeping with the overall Classic feel of this style type, so I think that totally makes sense.
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Ah yes! That’s a good way to describe it 🙂
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Loving the skirt recommendations in this list! I’m not sure which Dramatic suits me best, but the skirts here are great. Less so the pants, but maybe that just taste – and in any case no way am I ready to tackle sewing pants yet. I just about finished a skirt pattern that is VERY similar to several of the skirts here, and the kick pleat in front is a total mystery to me. Could not understand the directions to save my life. Found a Threads video and just did it that way, for better or worse. Le sigh.
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I’ve never found a good set of instructions for a vent or kick pleat in a sewing pattern. I’ve always had to use explanations from books or the internet to tackle those things.
Aside from length (Dramatics can go longer), the Dramatic Classic skirts and Dramatic skirts have a lot of things in common, so it would make sense if you could pull from both lists. I think the Dramatic Classic pants pull a bit more towards the Classic side, but with more detail, so if you are Dramatic I could see how they might not be the best style for a Dramatic.
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It’s nice to see so many people identifying with this ID. It’s definitely not me. At 5’3″ and curvy most of these thnigs are not comfortable and really don’t appeal to me although I do have a few of the skirt patterns! I love skirts. I spent 3 years in high school in skirts, dresses and shirt suits with high heels and sheer hose rather than shirts and halter tops or jeans and T’s. My favorite ID’s are Romantic and Theatrical although I’ve always thought I was probably a Sfot Classic. Looking forward to checking out Soft Classic!
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Ooh, it’s my ID! Honestly, I’ll admit I was a little disappointed the first time I read this post as you’re right, Kibbe’s guidelines for DCs are pretty narrow and specific so there isn’t much variety in the separates.
But then I went through the whole post a second time and realised I would love to wear pretty much everything here and I know I’d look fabulous, so thank you for giving me lots of new pattern ideas! Also, I think I might need to subscribe to Burda…
The only one of these patterns I’ve made is the Vogue Galaxy dress copy, and I feel amazing when I wear it. I’m thinking I should make another with the square neckline and short sleeves now… not that I need any more party dresses!
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That’s great! I feel like all of the Classic types have pretty narrow descriptions as far as styles go (especially when compared with Gamines or even Naturals), but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, and I sort of think that’s what makes them, well, Classic. I think Classic IDs are where TNT patterns can really shine – if you feel amazing in it, why not have 2 (or 5) in your wardrobe?
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I imagine your sewing queue getting longer and longer as you analyse every pattern you own! You’re certainly giving me new ideas for some of mine.
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You’ve done so much work pulling all these patterns together. Just stumbled upon your page and YAY! This one features my type…Dramatic Classic! I’m at the point that I’m determined to weed out the “not working” and sew up a cohesive wardrobe. Thank you for pulling together so many right-on patterns. Just what I needed.
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This is a really great article!
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Hi,
How would one access the patterns you’ve listed that aren’t traditional paper patterns in an envelope? For example, the 4th coat from the top, BS-11-2007-115. Is this in a Burda Style magazine, Nov. 2015, pattern (or “model”) number 115? Sorry if the answer to this is obvious, but I’m not familiar with Burda Style mag. Do you know, would I need to purchase that issue of the magazine, and if so, where I could get them?
Thank you for the treasure trove of patterns that would would for a DC! I’m very excited to get sewing!
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Yes, your interpretation of my codes is correct! At this point your options for older issues are scouting around on EBay or maybe Etsy. If it is a recent or recent-ish issue then you can see if you can buy a PDF download for the pattern you want directly from the BurdaStyle website. Hope that helps!
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Just found this and thank you. You put so much and time and energy in this. Kudos to you.
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Such a great resource! Having a visual representation of the recommendations is really helpful. So many that I have naturally gravitated to and now don’t need to guess or settle. I may have to take up sewing though!
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